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Saving the ACLU?

Now here's a campaign I can get behind. Like many people, I've been disappointed by the increasingly partisan politicization of the ACLU. I say this as a member in good standing, by the way. I think the ACLU is too important an organization to give up on, so that's why I like what these people are doing.

It's a worthy goal, and I wish them luck, because I believe the ACLU has lost its way. Of course, so have both our major political parties, so it's really hard to know where to start.


It certainly is a worthy cause, Barry, though even Ira Glasser's and Norm Siegal's (NYCLU) never supported the Second Amendment, nor even stood up for "equality before the alw" and true "equality of opportunity" (a single standard for all), as they've long supported race and gender based preferences.

I've always felt that what the ACLU needed was an infusion of true Libertarians who'd fight for the Founder's Design - property rights and an extremely limited government and jettison those who opposed the 2nd Amendment and supported race & gender based preferences.

Still, at this point, any progess within that group would be welcome from my view.

A "worthy cause" does not a worthy organization make. Well, not automatically, anyway.

Looks like Karl Rove infiltrated the ACLU. No dissent, absolute rule, ferreting out the leakers ... sound familiar?

"A "worthy cause" does not a worthy organization make..." ((WF)
should be a great organization. One that reveres America's Founders design - private property rights as primary (including the sacred right to self-defense), very limited government, equality before the law (no "extra rights" or "special privileges"), State's Rights, individualism above all else and no compulsory "communal endeavors" EXCEPT, of course, the military and criminal justice functions (police, courts, prisons, etc) of the government.

If they'd stayed true to that agenda, that organization would be a stalwart force for good, as well as for Americanism.

Alas, too often, they've fallen far short, but I'm glad Barry's a member.

I WOULD BE, were it not for their stance on the 2nd Amendment and race/gender-based preferences.

For me, it was their support of racism (racial quotas) that lost me. There is absolutely no current Constitutional basis for racism of any kind. In fact, these quotas and preferences are in direct violation of the Constitution.

Wow, I even have to agree with JMK on the 2nd Amendment too. It is very clear. In fact, it makes clear that citizens should be able to arm themselves in a MILITARY fashion, not just with small, safe, single shot popguns.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

This means kids can pray in school, and that I can say "fuck Israel" if I like.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

You have a right to guns, and to carry them.

Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Not a big problem anymore.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Republicans seek the destruction of this one through the Patriot Act and RICO. Notice how it doesn't say that honest men have nothing to hide and should submit to random searches?

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Bush doesn't agree with this one. If he, The Decider, decides that you are a terrorist, then American or not your rights are gone.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Unless "The Decider" decides you are a terrorist.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

I guess this one is OK. They could update the $20 thing.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

This one is working fine. The death penalty is definitely not cruel or unusual punishment for some a-hole murderer. It's justice. Notice how there is no provision for any amendment to be enforced according to strict racial quotas.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The Republicans still can't figure this one out. They think that this is the LIMIT of all of your rights. Where is a right to privacy? Well, that dratted 4th Amendment practically spells it out, but even if it isn't specific, that doesn't mean the right doesn't exist, retards.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Ah, our current government is an endless mockery of the poor 10th Amendment. The states have little power, the people NONE. The federal government and supreme court have walked all over this one to increase their own powers far beyond any Constitutional intention. Thus the "Nanny State" and the "Big Brother State" of today.

> For me, it was their support of racism (racial quotas) that lost me.

Some people would call that the right to free assembly, which can be found in the First Amendment you quoted.

It isn't "free assembly" it is government funded (funded by MY tax money) universities discriminating racially against European-Americans like me.

Free assembly would be having an all-white or all-black country club, which is perfectly legitimate, though outlawed in most places.

"Wow, I even have to agree with JMK on the 2nd Amendment too..." (BH)

Much as I'm surprised by your agreement and apparent common sense on this point, I have to temper my surprise with the knowledge that, "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day" - here you're right about the Second Amendment and Preferences.

Race & Gender preferences aren't merely "wrong because they discriminate against European Americans," they're wrong primarily because they violate the principles of (1) equal access and (2) equality before the law.

They also have a corrosive impact on those they supposedly champion, as they stigmitize those groups with the tag and the expectation of "perceived inferiority."

Of course, Alumni preferences and geographic preferences should also be done away with.

Race, gender, alumni, religious, and geographic preferences are all fine for PRIVATE universities that receive no tax money or government assistance in any form.

Naturally, all universities and in fact all schools should be private. The government really had no business in education and they have obviously failed miserably.

That (the issue of governemnt funding) is an entirely different issue from the legitimacy of preferences.

The vast majority of companies in the U.S. can be banned from discriminatory practices merely because they are publically traded, and other private concerns can be regulated for "trading with the U.S. government," etc.

In ANY school that accepts ANY government funding race-based, gender-based, geographical, alumni and donor preferences should ALL be banned.

Agreed. This is why Abe Foxman and the ADL is such a joke. He apparently thinks Jews have some special status in the United States because of the Holocaust. While Jews are often the most vicious and vocal critics of everyone else, particularly White Protestants, they use their legal and media machines to crush anyone who dares to impugn Jews or Israel.

Barry buys into it, that's why he banned me for saying "Fuck Israel".

While I'm no fan of Abe Foxman or the ADL, I can understand some of the hypersensitivity among many Jewish people.

They were targeted for genocide by a noted, infamous socialist (National Socialist), who was alligned with much of the Arab world - both Yassir Arafat's & Saddam Hussein's mentor was Haj Amin al-Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem. He became a Nazi agent after meeting Adolf Eichmann, an architect of the Holocaust, in Palestine in 1937, and with Nazi funds organized the Arab Revolt of 1936-39 which led to the British closing Palestine to Jewish immigration. This facilitated the "Final Solution" by closing off the avenue of refuge.

The Mufti obtained Hitler's assurance in November 1941 that after dealing with the Jews of Europe, Hitler would treat the Jews of the Middle East similarly. Husseini promised the support of the Arabs for the Nazi war effort. In Berlin, Husseini used the "sonderfund," money confiscated from Jewish victims, to finance subversive pro-Nazi activities in the Middle East and to raise 20,000 Muslim troops in Bosnia, the infamous Hanjar S.S. Waffen, who murdered tens of thousands of Serbs and Jews in the Balkans and served as police auxiliary in Hungary.


Israel has served as our sattelite in the Mideast for decades and we've, in turn, supported Israel militarily and in other ways.

You can certainly say "Fu*k Israel," but you're, in effect, saying, "Fu*k America's most stalwart Ally," which is close to saying "Fu*k America."

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